tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post758131148799370581..comments2023-10-29T08:17:42.840-07:00Comments on Childfreedom: Pipe Down, Moms - You're Already on the PayrollChildfreeeeehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01776614837813912148noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-83817761268100391362011-10-23T11:20:40.584-07:002011-10-23T11:20:40.584-07:00Hey I am a childress individual and so far am not ...Hey I am a childress individual and so far am not planning to have any(just for the notice). Well, having read a couple of your posts I do find most of them valid, But I do not agree with the idea of people not having kids to reduce world`s population. Well the problem in this otherwize valid argument is that the amount of children above the natural replacement limit which is 2.1 (at least in TurboFerrethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12701769138813124616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-54146457195432928612011-10-19T08:49:10.219-07:002011-10-19T08:49:10.219-07:00apart from the good points raised so far:
10% of h...apart from the good points raised so far:<br />10% of her husband income... hmmmm, what about non married couples who have children, what about gay couples and what about a potential divorce?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-22662992836566795252011-10-18T15:00:15.990-07:002011-10-18T15:00:15.990-07:00If I could "like" Triple M's comment...If I could "like" Triple M's comment, I would.<br /><br />And I would just like to echo that almost every childless person who regrets the decision to not have children is one who wanted children, and then couldn't or didn't have them, for whatever reason... infertility, didn't find the right partner, waited too long, etc.. People who make a conscious and considered Happily CFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05912934107614153098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-80190685428133186432011-10-18T02:50:23.785-07:002011-10-18T02:50:23.785-07:00I would like to address Jan's question of why ...I would like to address Jan's question of why this blog focuses on the downside of parenting, instead of being solely about promoting the childfree lifestyle. It is a good question and one which I am delighted to answer.<br /><br />One of the stated purposes of this blog is "to expose the unreasonable pro-parent, pro-child, pro-family bent of our culture (pronatalism) which glorifies Childfreeeeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01776614837813912148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-71925270387382436952011-10-17T21:40:08.051-07:002011-10-17T21:40:08.051-07:00Harvey Requiem, you are so right.
There is a tru...Harvey Requiem, you are so right. <br /><br />There is a truly hideous article in Australian Madison magazine out this month along those lines. It uses the line "childfree by choice" on the cover but then once you open the actual article you see three women interviewed, NONE OF WHOM ARE CHILDFREE BY CHOICE!! It's two women with kids, and one woman who desperately wanted them and Miakathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16559307755680056843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-40360695353304596852011-10-17T21:29:22.865-07:002011-10-17T21:29:22.865-07:00Dogsledder, thank you for your great reply to Jan....Dogsledder, thank you for your great reply to Jan. You beat me to it which is just fine with me. :)<br /><br />I, too, have looked around for any message boards from childFREE (not childLESS) people who regret that lifestyle choice and I could not find any at all. Not one. But there is no shortage of websites for regretful parents who wish they never had kids.<br /><br />Just remember, Jan, weDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05503978839912338538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-45745954922576947002011-10-17T17:20:08.211-07:002011-10-17T17:20:08.211-07:00Wow - do I wish you worked in my office or were my...Wow - do I wish you worked in my office or were my next door neighbor. I agree with everything you said, and I am<br />shocked every day to see that hardly anyone else in the world does.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-66312618214438289102011-10-17T08:00:06.158-07:002011-10-17T08:00:06.158-07:00Jan said:
"you will find just as many torture...Jan said:<br />"you will find just as many tortured souls lamenting that fact that they are lonely and childless!" <br />Yes, there are tortured souls who are suffering because they are childless- they are people who want children and for whatever reason cannot have them. I, and many like me, made a CHOICE not to have children- therefore we are "childfree". There are plenty ofDogsledderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02645300358284076835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-64747572849697055332011-10-17T07:58:00.358-07:002011-10-17T07:58:00.358-07:00What about the people who have to quit their jobs ...What about the people who have to quit their jobs to take care of an ill loved one? Do they get a salary? The volunteers of the world who drop their lives to help those of others and the environment. Do they get a salary? No...mothers are no exception and they need no special treatment.Triple Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17474297880987365843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-4738798190387811262011-10-16T21:43:00.578-07:002011-10-16T21:43:00.578-07:00Glad you're happy with your decision Jan but t...Glad you're happy with your decision Jan but this is a CF blog. It's one of the few places we CF folks can share our thoughts with like-minded people and I for one don't appreciate you coming here to shove your opinion down our throats. Seems like you have some insecurity issues if you feel the need to come to a CF site to justify your own life choices.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02153756679015981898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-25582958034219213142011-10-16T21:37:43.689-07:002011-10-16T21:37:43.689-07:00Very few childfree women regret their conscious de...Very few childfree women regret their conscious decision not to breed. Those "tortured souls" tend to be childless women (ie: those who actually wanted kids and were unable to have them). The fact is that more thought tends to go into not having kids than tends to go into having kids in the majority of cases, and when you make an active and conscious decision to do or not do somethingHarvey Requiemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02963190413341072166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-8702052985249104962011-10-16T21:05:24.606-07:002011-10-16T21:05:24.606-07:00It was THIS part of her interview that got me...
&...It was THIS part of her interview that got me...<br />"I just think that we need to create an environment that allows women to make the choices that they want to make. If women choose to have children, they must be able to have the support structure that they require to do that joyfully..."<br /><br />Are you fucking kidding me lady? Have you any idea how many millions of people in the Miakathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16559307755680056843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-51115519994646431152011-10-16T13:55:27.496-07:002011-10-16T13:55:27.496-07:00Thought I'd point out this article to you stat...Thought I'd point out this article to you stating the ridiculous notion that having children makes you look *younger* based solely on Sharon Stone looking fabulous. The author seems not to realize that she happens to earn quite a lot of money, have access to people to care for her child, personal trainer/s at her beck and call, as well as the funds for plastic surgery. <br /><br />Direct munin_and_huginhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04668450613561858506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-75254758340285648142011-10-16T07:56:20.525-07:002011-10-16T07:56:20.525-07:00Don't feel sorry for us moms (in response to c...Don't feel sorry for us moms (in response to comments I've seen on other articles on this site). keep in mind that you will find just as many tortured souls lamenting that fact that they are lonely and childless! There will always be some people who are not happy with their choices! That's life. Yes, raising children is hard work but of course any endeavour that is rewarding takesJanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844590574596985472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-18942658570221991232011-10-16T07:18:16.108-07:002011-10-16T07:18:16.108-07:00I'm a retired teacher and I thought [ years ag...I'm a retired teacher and I thought [ years ago ] we should pay women NOT to have kids. Plenty of women are not fit to be mothers - I saw this firsthand when I was teaching. If we paid women a certain amount each month they were NOT pregnant, I bet the taxpayers would be saving money. There would be fewer kids born who were not wanted, the crime rate would go down etc.shellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11231859755559008915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-38831359614330990722011-10-16T06:14:17.841-07:002011-10-16T06:14:17.841-07:00Thank you so much for your blog!
People act like t...Thank you so much for your blog!<br />People act like there is something wrong with me <br />because I don't want children...I think there is something wrong with then because they DO! Nice to know I'm not alone in my thinking!Sarah Giggarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09825550418278232727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-18073582822510992932011-10-16T01:46:08.285-07:002011-10-16T01:46:08.285-07:00WHO, exactly, should be paying this salary?
And, ...WHO, exactly, should be paying this salary?<br /><br />And, um.... I'm pretty sure that mothers already essentially get far more than 10% of their husband's salary... it's not like most guys are spending it on their toys and secret vacation homes and mistresses (well maybe) and not bringing most of it home to support the family, which includes the wife.<br /><br />The 10% figure is Happily CFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05912934107614153098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-13252876711245370952011-10-15T11:37:24.667-07:002011-10-15T11:37:24.667-07:00Will you do a post on what having a child does to ...Will you do a post on what having a child does to your body? thanks :)Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09161762398910958200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-56550348742837448932011-10-15T09:02:09.347-07:002011-10-15T09:02:09.347-07:00Such excellent points made in this blog posts and ...Such excellent points made in this blog posts and the comments. I just wish the chick from South Africa could read this. I'd love to see her response.CFVixenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00777723818313211020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-24556053789857615972011-10-14T17:32:36.444-07:002011-10-14T17:32:36.444-07:00You guys all make some really good points. There ...You guys all make some really good points. There are so many things wrong with the concept of paying moms, that it's enough to make one's head explode!Childfreeeeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01776614837813912148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-53567119955700009652011-10-14T16:40:59.204-07:002011-10-14T16:40:59.204-07:00I don't get it--women bitch about not being pa...I don't get it--women bitch about not being paid for being a mom, but you never hear men complaining that they aren't getting paid for being a dad. Either way, women who stay at home with their kids get "paid" by not having to go to work every day at an office and having their husband/spouse/partner take care of them. There are plenty of women who have kids who go to work and Spectrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14867094255953299465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-80572781965631576292011-10-14T14:19:15.433-07:002011-10-14T14:19:15.433-07:00A good index of what mothers see as the true value...A good index of what mothers see as the true value of childrearing is the wages that they pay their nannies and babysitters. If mothers really valued the job, they wouldn't pay their babysitters 10 bucks an hour. You can't have it both ways -- your work is priceless, but when someone else does it they should get low wages for it?Temujinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15311893269588654768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-48840088602559787992011-10-14T14:16:52.148-07:002011-10-14T14:16:52.148-07:00I couldn't tell from the article who's sup...I couldn't tell from the article who's supposed to pay this money -- the husband? (She uses the word "husband" to mean "father," I noticed.) Her employer before she quit to have a kid? The government, and therefore the taxpayers?<br /><br />Mostly I have a problem with a flat rate for it. I don't like the fact that it's completely independent of the QUALITY of Temujinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15311893269588654768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-72429894789161560542011-10-14T14:08:32.833-07:002011-10-14T14:08:32.833-07:00I think it's rather bizarre that she thinks pa...I think it's rather bizarre that she thinks part of the husband's salary should be forked over to the wife. I am a stay-at-home mom and homeschooler to my two 4th graders. My husband works full time outside the home. There has never been a distinction between "his" and "hers" in our marriage when it comes to income. We each have our jobs that we agreed to together, andLaurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04102386831601533628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155688048560818982.post-48890075919458403292011-10-14T13:29:42.760-07:002011-10-14T13:29:42.760-07:00As a CF teacher, I'm clearly biased here, and ...As a CF teacher, I'm clearly biased here, and again, can't comment on the South African experience, but from ages 5-18, these kids are, in all likelihood, at school. (Unless they're homeschooled, which is a whole 'nother blog post.)Yes, the years from 0-5 are super important, and the hours from 3pm- bedtime are, too, but we should be paying teachers (and support staff, custodiansHilaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575984641897266505noreply@blogger.com